Oliver’s mission to make mental healthcare more accessible and inclusive
In this episode of Moments in Mind, clinical psychologist Dr Oliver Suendermann explains his mission to make science-backed mental healthcare more accessible to more people than ever before. Along the way, he reflects on several light-bulb moments and lessons learned working at prestigious institutions in London and Singapore.
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Andy McLean:
Early in your career you worked at the Bethlem Hospital in South London, which has a long and storied history in psychiatry. What was that experience like?
Oliver Suendermann:
Yes, Bethlem has a fascinating past—it’s the origin of the term “bedlam”, as many listeners will know. But today it’s a state-of-the-art hospital and beautiful campus; a complete contrast from its somewhat chaotic history. I worked at the Anxiety Disorders Residential Unit (ADRU), which catered to individuals with severe forms of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), body dysmorphic disorder (BDD), and related conditions. Residents would stay for up to twelve weeks, undergoing intensive treatment, including daily exposure-based therapy sessions and structured group work.
What’s special about ADRU is that it operates without 24-hour nursing staff. Instead, it’s a therapeutic community where residents support one another through their therapy journey. It was an amazing thing to be a part of—and a really formative learning experience for me.
AM:
Looking back, what did you take away from your time there?
OS:
Three key lessons stand out. First, complex mental health conditions don’t necessarily require complicated treatments. Even in severe OCD cases, sticking to evidence-based approaches like exposure and response prevention (ERP) can be incredibly effective.
Second, I saw how powerful community-based therapy can be. Traditional therapy often happens one-on-one in clinical settings that don’t reflect the real world. In ADRU, residents helped each other, creating a safe space where they could open up without shame. This vulnerability fostered empathy and collective healing, which I believe is often under-utilised in traditional models.
And third, I learned the importance of addressing trauma when someone is “stuck” in therapy. In cases where OCD behaviors stem from past trauma—say, abuse or deep-rooted shame—those underlying issues must be acknowledged and worked through. It’s not just about reducing rituals or exposures; it’s about understanding the emotional core that drives those behaviors.
AM:
You then moved to another famous institution: The Priory in North London. How did that differ from your previous role?
OS:
It was a natural progression. The Priory had a more clinical structure, with full nursing support and a focus on very challenging cases of OCD and BDD. The patients we treated there were often more acutely unwell, requiring closer supervision and higher levels of care.
Some of the people I worked with had been, in a sense, “left behind by life” due to the severity of their conditions. For me, it was both humbling and eye-opening. You read in textbooks about severe mental illness, but seeing how profoundly it can affect a person’s entire life—especially in those extreme cases—was deeply moving.
AM:
You achieved many breakthrough moments with clients in London. As a clinician, how do those affect you?
OS:
It’s vindicating and also inspiring. Vindicating because moments of recovery and progress confirm for me that I chose the right career. Inspiring, because I see people draw on their incredible reserves of inner strength. There’s still so much stigma around mental health, and many people believe their condition is permanent. But I’ve witnessed people not only improve but even sometimes fully recover.
AM:
Next, you moved to Singapore, working at yet another prestigious institution—the National University of Singapore. You also took on several roles at a business called Intellect, where you’re now Vice President, Clinical. Tell me about Intellect and what you’re trying to achieve there.
OS:
Our mission is to revolutionise how mental health care is delivered—making it more accessible, affordable, culturally relevant, and timely. We call it “hyper-localised” mental health care, delivered by providers who understand the local language, culture, and context. Essentially, we provide a digital ecosystem where users can access self-care tools, AI-powered support, tele-coaching, and referrals to in-person clinics when needed.
Our platform covers everything from early intervention to crisis support. Crucially, we connect people with professionals who understand their culture and speak their language. Speed is also a priority. We can quickly match someone with the right support—typically within a day, with no long waitlists.
AM:
You do a lot of work with employers in the public and private sector. What’s the return-on-investment (ROI) for businesses?
Oliver Suendermann:
We do, yes. And here’s the thing: You can draw a direct line between the mental wellness of your workforce and your organization’s productivity. Among many case studies, we worked with SingTel, Singapore’s largest telco.
When SingTel employees engaged with our services, the business saw a 7–8% improvement in productivity, measured through reduced absenteeism and presenteeism. So that’s a substantial ROI. And this case study was even cited in Singapore’s parliament as an example of effective workplace mental health support.
Andy McLean: You mentioned referrals to clinics before and I believe Intellect has now expanded into bricks-and-mortar clinics. What took you in that direction?
Oliver Suendermann: Yes, our physical clinics are springing up in response to a growing demand for assessments and support for children with learning difficulties like ADHD, autism, and other cognitive challenges. So, we’ve invested in tools like Pearson’s WISC-V and the NEPSY-II, and we’re the exclusive partner for Pearson in Singapore to train clinicians and educators on using them.
We also use digital tools like Pearson’s Q-global and Q-interactive, which improve accuracy and reduce the manual effort involved in traditional paper-based assessments. These make life easier for clinicians and they also reduce the margin for error.
Andy McLean: If you could change one thing about mental health globally, what would that be?
Oliver Suendermann: That’s a big question, but okay! Mental health should be universally equitable. That means every person—regardless of who they are, what they earn, or where they live—can access gold-standard mental healthcare. That means removing waitlists, making care affordable, and delivering it in a culturally sensitive way.
Andy McLean: Let’s end with a personal reflection. How do you hope mental health is viewed by society in years to come?
Oliver Suendermann: I’ve got two young daughters, and I hope they grow up in a world where looking after your mental health is just a routine part of life—like brushing your teeth. I didn’t experience that growing up, but I hope the next generation will. And if I can play even a small role in helping create that kind of world, I’ll be very proud.
It’s incredibly touching to see how people can actually recover—even with all the stigma that still surrounds mental health
Dr Oliver Suendermann
Oliver Suendermann 00:06
“It's hard to put into words. It's incredibly touching to see how people can actually recover with, if we think about it, all the stigma still surrounding mental health. I mean, it's improving a lot, but there's still so much stigma, and people are stuck with these labels when actually they can make huge recoveries, sometimes to the point of not having any mental health condition at all.”
Andy McLean 00:36
Hello and welcome to the season finale of Moments in Mind, a podcast from Pearson Clinical Assessment!
My name is Andy McLean. I'm a podcast producer based in Australia, and in this series, we're sharing extraordinary stories of professionals who make a difference in people's mental wellbeing every single day.
In each episode, a special guest reveals moments that have changed their life and changed the lives of the people who they support. And in this final episode of season two, we're certainly ending on a high note. You're about to hear my conversation with Oliver Suendermann, who opens up about his life and career as a clinical psychologist at a number of famous health institutions in London before his move to Singapore in 2016.
Today, Oliver is a man on a mission! As Vice President, Clinical at Intellect in Singapore, he and his colleagues are working to de-stigmatise mental health and make quality care more accessible, affordable and equitable for more people than ever before. In our discussion, Oliver explains how Intellect is working at the cutting edge of technology and cognitive science—and combining all of that with a human touch—to achieve their mission.
That's enough preamble from me. Let's jump in and take a listen.
Andy McLean 02:01
Hi Oliver, welcome to the show.
Oliver Suendermann
Thank you so much, Andy, for having me.
Andy McLean
Well, we're delighted to have you. I have to confess, I've been a bit spoilt for choice in today's discussion, your career has so many moments that I'm keen to hear about. So, we'll try and visit as many of those as we can in the time available. But first, let's briefly talk about your childhood. You grew up on the outskirts of Frankfurt in Germany. Tell me, what is your earliest memory?
Oliver Suendermann 02:30
The first thing I recall as a child was when I was a three-year-old boy, and it was an evening. I was upstairs in our sort of semi-detached house, and I overheard my parents downstairs, sort of shouting and arguing. And I recall that I was sort of crawling out of my bedroom, and I was sort of by the stairs upstairs and sort of eavesdropping, listening in and feeling quite confused, probably anxious. I'm not sure.
I didn't really have the words to name my emotions. I do remember sort of not knowing who I should root for. And yeah, that was quite a powerful experience. And of course, now I'm a psychologist. I've got two daughters. I know that, you know, these experiences are extremely common, and you know, parenting is never perfect, and just needs to be “good enough”, really, as the psychoanalyst Donald Winnicott once famously said.
But the other thing I sort of take away from this is that these early experiences, they can be very powerful, and sometimes we can remember them, you know, all our life. And they can shape how we see people, and they can sometimes be at the root of later anxieties as well, and sort of influence how we relate to other people.
Andy McLean 03:47
Well, speaking of anxieties, of course, early in your career, you worked in the anxiety disorders residential unit at Bethlem Hospital in South London. It's quite famous that hospital. Oliver, that was your second job after graduating from the doctoral program in clinical psychology at King's College London. Tell me a little bit about your time at Bethlem and what you did there.
Oliver Suendermann 04:17
To your first point. Yeah, I know [Bedlam has] been a sort of a centuries old nickname. And [today] it's far from the old sort of psychiatric hospital the Bethlem used to be, which is typically thought of as, you know, this overcrowded, chaotic psychiatric hospital. So it's a beautiful hospital campus. It's in the south of London. And anyone who's out there who's interested in psychiatry history, I do recommend you visit the Bethlem hospital. They have a museum where you can learn about the history, and you can learn about how old Londoners gawked at the clients who were in there.
[Working there] was really probably one of the steepest learning experiences I've had. My first job there was in the Anxiety Disorders Residential Unit (or ADRU). And in a nutshell, that's a small residential unit where we see the most severe, complex clients who suffer from obsessive compulsive disorder, body dysmorphic disorder and related disorders, and they sort of embark on this six-to-12 week program.
And what's unique about this setup is it functions without nurses. So there's no 24-hour nursing support, and residents really support themselves in their recovery journey and support each other in the exposure therapy. And, yeah, it's a really interesting, very effective, very unique, novel sort of therapeutic community.
Andy McLean 05:50
And looking back, Oliver, what in particular did you learn from your time in ADRU at Bethlem?
Oliver Suendermann 05:56
Yeah, there's a couple of things.
So as a therapist, I first of all learned that when mental health problems are complex, you don't need necessarily complex treatment or very complicated protocols. So you need to follow a best evidence-based practice. That's one because oftentimes we have a tendency to think when someone has very complex OCD, then treatment has to be very complex, but that's not true. You still have to follow best practice guides, which in this case is exposure and response prevention.
Two [other] things I learned. First of all, I really learned at ADRU the importance of community support as well, because typical therapy is usually in a one-to-one setting, where the client or the patient, they meet the therapist in a sort of therapist space. And that is oftentimes not quite what the real world looks out there for the client. So in the community where they live, they can support each other, and especially when you have very severe mental health problems, you can't really do it by yourself. You rely on people who journey with you. It also allows you the stigma free space where you can speak about your problems, which is difficult most people, there's a lot of shame that sort of shrouds mental health. So people learn to talk about their mental health, and because they can speak about their struggles, they can be vulnerable, which elicits empathy and support that's incredibly powerful and often overlooked.
Andy McLean 07:27
And you mentioned two things that you learned. What was the second?
Oliver Suendermann 07:31
I guess, the other thing I learned as a therapist is that even though these protocols are tremendously important and we need to follow what the guidelines suggest and so on. Sometimes you also have to figure out how to improve therapy, especially when people are stuck in treatment.
And the main thing I learned from my time then, is that when there is severe trauma experiences or sort of shame-based memories around feeling different or sexual abuse, horrible things that happen to clients, then these kind of traumatic experiences, they need to be dealt with.
For example, if a client with OCD has severe contamination fears—and they engage in sort of, you know, extensive cleaning rituals, decontamination rituals—if the source of their problem is to do more with a traumatic memory and it's sort of at the root of the onset of these compulsive behaviours, then that has to be dealt with. And that sounds like an obvious one, but oftentimes therapists are just so focused on “Touch this” and “Don't wash”. “And let's, you know, let the anxiety come down and see what happens.”
Andy McLean 08:47
Hmm. And you mentioned obsessional disorders there, and that's an area that you continued to work in when you move from ADRU at Bethlem and onto The Priory in North London—which is perhaps best known to UK listeners as the drug rehabilitation destination for rock stars in the 1980s—but in all seriousness, you were the lead psychologist working in the area of obsessional disorders like OCD and body dysmorphic disorder (also known as BDD). Tell me a little bit about your time there.
Oliver Suendermann 09:20
So that was, in some way, quite a nice continuation of my work in ADRU. So whilst ADRU didn't have any nurses, The Priory is a proper hospital with nursing support. And so the obsession disorders unit was also part of the highly specialised national service for OCD and BDD.
So again, I continued to see clients who had very, very severe obsessional problems. Clients in The Priory we saw had higher risk as well, and so they actually needed the nursing support. And they had higher touch care needs, basically so similar to what I just shared around working with: trauma in the area of OCD and BDD.
We saw many clients who were kind of “thrown out of life” by their illnesses. And to me that was, in some way, quite a profound experience. So I'd never really seen people so unwell. I knew from the textbooks, and also the more outpatient work I had done until that point that of course, mental health can get very bad. But I vividly recall some clients who just life has just passed them by.
Andy McLean 10:27
That sounds like a desperate situation for someone to find themselves in, and difficult for therapists too. Of course. Could you perhaps tell me about one of the clients that you worked with, Oliver, with their details anonymised, obviously?
Oliver Suendermann 10:40
Yeah so there's one client: I’ll refer to him as “Eric”. And I actually wrote about Eric together with Professor David Veale. Anyone who listens or would like to have that, just drop me a line.
So Eric, at the time, when I saw him, was a 27-year-old, single man, a Bosnian Muslim background, who had fled the war in former Yugoslavia with his mum. And his dad horribly died in the genocide there.
And [Eric] had a particular concern around bodily fluids, and in particular semen. And he was such a smart, funny, sort of delightful young man, but he was so crippled by his OCD.
So for example, when we first saw him, he was having showers on end—36 hours—unbelievably long quotation mark “assisted” by his mum, who was giving him sponges and bleach and really hard cleaning products.
And just to highlight two things. So he because his father had died in the war, he lacked a father figure, and his mum had her own mental health struggles, understandably. She had post traumatic stress from the war, and so she wasn't really emotionally available when he was a teenager. So when he started having wet dreams, and there was no one to normalise this, and he experienced a lot of shame around it. And he also had an uncle who told him that “masturbation is the work of the devil”.
And so there was a lot of shame around bodily fluid, semen and masturbation and so on. And he just learned early on that he needed to stay very clean to feel safe. And it had just escalated into this horrible, horrible OCD.
And what I learned from working with Eric is that that needed to be addressed. So he had previous sort of evidence-based forms of treatment. He had exposure therapy from previous therapists as well, but they just focused on helping him to be okay with bodily fluids and then not wash, which was somewhat helpful. But the real underpinning issue for Eric was that he just had this deep trauma that was unresolved around losing his father, not having normalising experiences when he was younger, and so on.
Andy McLean 12:52
So how did you get to the underlying issues with Eric to address that trauma?
Oliver Suendermann 12:58
There was really a two-pronged approach.
One: So dealing with these shame-based memories when he was a teenager, that was that was one. So there's a form of treatment that's called imagery rescripting, which is a very well-known and well researched sort of trauma intervention whereby you help the client to kind of go on a sort of mental time travel with a therapist. You close your eyes, and you kind of emotionally activate a memory, and you elicit the needs that weren't met, which for Eric, was not to feel safe. So through imagination, you change the imagery. So of course, you can't change what happened, but you can change how you feel about it. So that was really helpful for Eric.
And then the other one was to help him be okay with bodily fluids, not to wash. And we did that in a very structured way. And he was sort of hyper-attentive to anything that he perceived as, you know, could just be a little spot on the on the wall or floor, and he would go into washing ritual. So it was really about helping him to be more present, touch things he perceived as contaminated and then not wash. And because he had been so trapped by the OCD, there was also a lot of occupational therapy we did to help him sort of build up some life skills.
Andy McLean 14:13
Wow. So there's a real combination of strategies at work there Oliver, that's fascinating. And tell me what was the outcome for Eric?
Oliver Suendermann 14:22
So by the time I was leaving The Priory (because I was I was heading for Singapore) Eric had made tremendous progress in his recovery journey. So his OCD had dropped to the subclinical range, from being extremely severe to now being subclinical. He had some OCD left, but was doing massively better, and he took up some vocational training, and he was about to move out of The Priory and reclaim his life.
Andy McLean 14:53
It's easy sometimes to forget that clinicians are people too, right? You're human as well. And that meticulous process that you described would have taken months and months of dedication. There would have been ups and downs along the way, for Eric, for his mother, and for you too. How does it feel later on in those moments of breakthrough with clients?
Oliver Suendermann 15:15
Thank you, Andy. Yeah, it's a bit difficult to describe. It's tremendously rewarding, and it's ongoing confirmation that it was the right career choice. I'd say it's hard to put into words. It's incredibly touching to see how people can actually recover, which, if we think about it, all the stigma still surrounding mental health. (I mean, it's improving a lot, but there's still so much stigma.) And people are stuck with these labels for life when actually they can make huge recoveries, sometimes to the point of not having any mental health condition at all. So it's highly rewarding, and it gives a lot of purpose and keeps me in the job and also keeps me sane.
Andy McLean 15:58
That's lovely to hear Oliver. It's so important, isn't it to savour those feelings when they come along, isn't it, because they're the fuel that keep you doing what you do. And I think that's a lovely note for us to end part one on.
Let's pause for a quick break, and when we come back, I'd like to talk with you about your work in Singapore at the business named Intellect, which is really expanding the impact that you're having on people's mental wellbeing. So we'll be right back just after this break.
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Andy McLean 17:31
Welcome back to the podcast.
So Oliver in 2016 you left London and you came to Singapore, where you worked at the National University of Singapore, where you're still an Adjunct Assistant Professor to this day.
Meanwhile, over the past six years, you've also been involved with a business named Intellect, where you're now the Vice President, Clinical. Broadly speaking, my understanding is that Intellect’s aim is to make mental health care more accessible, affordable, culturally relevant, timely and fair. Or ultimately, I suppose, as I might describe it, “to make mental health care more available to more people”.
That care can obviously be delivered in a variety of different ways. So, can you tell me a little bit about how you're working towards that at Intellect?
Oliver Suendermann 18:21
Thank you. Yeah. So you summed it up very well.
Intellect is a global leader in what we call hyper-localised mental health care. And so what that means is that we are building a mental health care ecosystem where we use technology to scale access to care and speed to care as well.
So we have a single platform on which we offer evidence-based sort of self-care tools. And of course, we're having AI sort of power tools as well. [And] now tele-coaching, where we connect users, clients, patients, with the most suited or suitable coach or mental health professional. And it's an ecosystem— as in there are seamless referral routes to regional clinics as well, if needed, for face-to-face care.
So essentially, we cover the whole mental health spectrum, from supporting people who are already doing fairly well (who are thriving, who can do with self-care), all the way to crisis support and a 24/7 helpline.
Now the important thing is, is the culturally attuned care. So with Intellect, you can trust that you always connect with a professional from your culture, with your background, who speaks your language. So we don't outsource our care. Yeah, we take a lot of pride in the quality of our care and the speed of care as well. On average, it just takes a day, really, to connect you with the right mental health professionals.
So we don't have long waiting lists at all. That was one of the key challenges when we started out, that it's just there's not enough mental health professionals to start with. The care is too expensive. No one can afford it, and you don't also know where to go. So that's the problem we are solving.
But not just for Singapore. We really are a global company now, and we have big global multinational companies we're working with now. And most notably, the Singapore government is trusting us. So we provide care to more than 150,000 public servants in Singapore alone.
Andy McLean 20:23
Now, speaking of multinationals, I hate to bring up finance when we're talking about mental health, but it's a fact that all multinationals need to see a return on any investment that they make, right. So can you perhaps share with me an example that best illustrates how businesses benefit from giving employees access to Intellect resources?
Oliver Suendermann 20:44
So we recently did a case study with SingTel. They are the largest telecommunications company in Singapore. And we found that employees who actively engaged with our services (so self-care, coaching, clinical) they showed an uplift of productivity around a 7-8% improvement in both absenteeism and presenteeism. And that study was featured in Parliament last year by one of the MPs who shared about that study.
Andy McLean 21:17
So there we have it! Further evidence, as if it were needed, that you can draw a line between mental health and productivity. Great stuff. Now. Oliver, I believe Intellect is also opening brick-and-mortar clinics too. Tell me about that.
Oliver Suendermann 21:32
Yeah, so we have moved towards brick-and-mortar clinics as well in recent years. And there's a particular need to support young people with learning needs (so things like ADHD, autism spectrum disorder learning disabilities as well). A lot of kids are struggling to read, to deal with numbers and so on, or have intellectual challenges. So we have quite heavily invested in our Pearson assessments. And the most notable ones we have are really the standard ones, like the WISC we use on a daily basis, the WIAT-III, the Vineland Adaptive Behaviour Scales, but also the NEPSY-II for kids, and the D-KEPS as well, which examines executive functioning—so helping people to assess their skills around organising, planning and so on. And yeah, we have these test kits in our clinic. Yeah, we see an increased interest in those as well. And I'm very happy to say as well, Andy, that we have a partnership now with Pearson, so we are the exclusive partner in Singapore to train other professionals on the Vineland and the WISC-V [Weschler Intelligence Scale for Children] as well. So very happy to say that as well.
Andy McLean 22:51
And what's the benefit of those tools being accessible to clinicians or educators digitally?
Oliver Suendermann 22:58
Yes, we have Q-global and Q-interactive, both of them we access via our iPads. It's neater. It's accuracy, and overall, it just makes the clinicians job a lot easier.
I remember in my old days when we trained at Kings or the Institute of Psychiatry (when we were trained on these neuropsych tests) and it was all paper, pencil, really. And then you have to get your calculator out, and then it's a higher risk—you mix up some numbers. So that's not going to happen in a digital format, or at least not as much.
Andy McLean 23:34
Well. Oliver, I can't believe this, but we're nearly at the end of the podcast already. It feels like it's flown by. But first, before we end the podcast, allow me to ask a penultimate question: In the next couple of decades, what is the change that you most wish to see in mental health globally?
Oliver Suendermann 23:51
Wow, yeah, that's a big question!
I think, pretty much that we achieve what we have sort of laid out in our mission statement, which is to create a fair, more equitable, truly inclusive mental health ecosystem. Where globally, whether you're a teenager in say, Kenya or Sao Paulo or Singapore, you have access to the same—and that's the important thing—the same sort of gold standard screening and evidence-based care as someone would in London or now in Singapore, and that you don't have these long wait lists anymore, and it's affordable for anybody, ideally paid for by insurance or government.
Andy McLean 24:38
And let's wrap things up where we started, Oliver with a personal reflection: Many years from now, when you retire, what do you hope people's habits and attitudes to mental health will be?
Oliver Suendermann 24:51
Yeah, personally, I've got two daughters, I think I mentioned earlier, and I really hope that they grow up in a world where, when you look after your mental health, it's just routine. I don't think we learned that very well when we are young. I certainly didn't, and I hope that they learn in school that, you know, people have experiences, sometimes people struggle, but it should all be really stigma-free and just as normal as sort of brushing your teeth. And perhaps then [also] they know that, I don't know, their dad sort of played a small part in making that the norm everywhere. Hopefully that's how things are going to be in that time.
Andy McLean 25:27
Yeah well Oliver, I think it's safe to say that your daughters will be extremely proud of their dad, and let's hope we do see the changes in society that you've just described. You're certainly playing your part in helping to make those happen. I've really enjoyed the conversation today, Oliver. Thank you so much for joining us.
Oliver Suendermann 25:43
Thank you so much, Andy. I had a great time chatting with you. Thank you so much for having me on your show.
Andy McLean 25:56
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